Poets & Quants for Executives

Our 2013 Ranking Of The Best EMBA Programs

by John A. Byrne on

The new Wharton San Francisco campus near the base of the Bay Bridge

The new Wharton San Francisco campus near the base of the Bay Bridge

For the third year in a row. the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School tops the PoetsandQuants’ ranking of the world’s best executive MBA programs. The University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business and Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management came in second and third, respectively, in the 2013 composite ranking, just as they had in the previous two years.

Also making the top ten are No. 4 Columbia Business School, No. 5 New York University’s Stern School, No. 6 UCLA’s Anderson School, No. 7 the University of Michigan’s Ross School, No. 8 Cornell University, No. 9 the University of Texas at Austin’s McCombs School of Business, and No. 10 the University of Southern California’s Marshall School.

In all, some 52 EMBA programs made the cut this year, ranging from No. 1 Wharton to No. 52 the University of Denver’s Daniels School.

Most of the significant changes in the list occurred outside the top ten. The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign’s EMBA program rose nine places to finish 24th from 33rd last year. The University of Texas at Dallas and Boston University both had impressive seven-place jumps, moving to 38th from 45th and to 47th and 29th, respectively. Rochester University’s Simon School also improved six places to 47th from 53rd. Ohio State’s Fisher College of Business gained five places to rank 16th from 21st last year.

Among the schools losing ground were the Thunderbird School of Global Management and Villanova University’s business school both fell six places.

The highest ranked non-U.S. school to show up on the PoetsandQuants’ list is IE Business School in Madrid, Spain, which maintained its rank of 14 from last year. INSEAD in France and Singapore, and IESE Business School in Barcelona and Madrid were next with ranks of 23 and 24, respectively.

OUR COMPOSITE RANKING MEASURES THE OVERALL REPUTATION OF THE WORLD’S BEST EMBA PROGRAMS

The new ranking by Poets&Quants measures the overall reputation of these programs by combining the four latest ratings on EMBA programs from BusinessWeek, The Wall Street Journal, The Financial Times, and U.S. News & World Report. By blending these rankings into a composite list, the methodology tends to diminish anomalies that often show up in any one rating system. None of these rankings are without their flaws so a composite ranking tends to get a user closer to the true brand value of these programs, especially because of the absence of Harvard Business School and Stanford Graduate School of Business from this market.

The new ranking also takes into account a blizzard of metrics to measure the quality of the programs, from surveys of student satisfaction to rises in income attributed to the degree. Each of the four major rankings are equally weighted in this 2013 survey of the best.

WHARTON’S EMBA PROGRAMS IN PHILLY & SAN FRAN TOP OUR LIST FOR THE THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR

Wharton topped our list for the third consecutive year due to the caliber of students in its two programs in Philadelphia and San Francisco. Both cohorts boast median GMAT scores of 700 out of a total score of 800 at a time when many EMBA programs no longer require the exam.  Even beyond the impressive GMATs, the highest reported scores for any EMBA program in the world, Wharton’s executive students have other stats that easily make them among the best participants in any Executive MBA program.

The home campus cohort in Philadelphia, which numbers 118 in the Class of 2014, already earns on average $166,000 in salary and bonus, average 10 years of work experience, and 39% came to the program with advanced degrees. Only 43% of the class are employed by companies which are paying 50% or more of the program’s cost.

The San Francisco cohort of 102 students in the Class of 2014 have an even higher average salary and bonus: $170,000. They average 11 years of work experience and 36% already hold advanced degrees. Only 27% of the class work for companies that are paying 50% or more of the cost of the program.

‘BRAND MATTERS. PURE AND SIMPLE’

Current students heap plenty of praise on the Wharton experience and the value of its brand. As Lindsay Stewart, an EMBA student in Wharton’s San Francisco program puts it, ““I’ve taken only six hours of marketing but, I know enough to understand that brand matters. Plain and simple.” It’s why, she says, she only applied to one EMBA program: Wharton.

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  • Punk

    How about the EMBA programs from Yale / MIT?

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.a.byrne.79 John A. Byrne

      Because the Yale program is specialized for health care professionals and because the MIT Sloan program is relatively new, as pointed out in the article, both fall through the cracks on EMBA rankings. That is true of most of the partnership programs as well which is why there are limits to the thoroughness and quality of these rankings.

      • FutureEMBAstudent

        Agreed on the rankings but they are useful nevertheless and much appreciated. As mentioned in another post, I tend to look at the full-time rankings the most, afterall, graduates of these programs receive the same MBA degree as graduates in the full-time programs. USN eMBA rankings are based on the opinion of BSchool Deans – not good. And BW, as good as they are, does not include partnerships, which makes them really miss a key part of the market all together.
        My question relates to partnerships – when one looks at Kellogg for example – whether they go to Kellogg or Kellogg-Recanati, or Kellogg-HKUST, or Kellogg-WHU, or Kellogg-Schulich – I view them all as a Kellogg eMBA Program which ranks #3 in this ranking. I know BW does not, but seems silly to me – Kellogg would not attach its brand if it did not believe in the quality or value proposition The same goes for Cornell and its Cornell-Queen’s option – it is silly to me that the Cornell program is ranked # 9 but the Cornell-Queen’s program is not – it is the same Cornell MBA degree, with another seperate MBA degree from Queen’s added. Cornell offers two eMBA choices – both excellent. It is unrealistic to associate such vastly different qualities between MBA programs offered by the same school. Duke offers a couple of options but they are ranked as one – should they really be the same ranking? I think yes – because it is the power of the brand that one is measuring – but eMBA rankings miss and the results are screwy in my opinion.

        • Mark

          I think it’s difficult to rank partnership programs because it’s difficult to assess the quality of overall program (we know Kellogg is good but how good is Recanati, Schulich, HKUST, etc). Because of that, most partnership programs (with exception of probably Columbia-LBS) are viewed as less prestigious as flagship/non partnership EMBA programs. But partnership is a great way to expand school’s global presence (Not easy to branch out to China unless you partner up with a local school). As for Cornell-Queens, it’s an odd one because it really doesn’t do much to expand Cornell or Queens globally (other than to few South American countries).. it mostly helped Queens enter the US market and Cornell enter other cities in the US which Cornell could have easily done without Queens (in fact, it’s probably easier to market the program as Cornell than Cornell Queens. I was told that Queens provided the video conferencing technology but is it really that difficult to setup video conferencing?) But I heard that Cornell Queens program grants same/regular Cornell MBA degree at significantly lower cost than their regular EMBA program so I think it’s a good choice.

          • Fred

            In fact Kellogg-HKUST is by far the best program among Kellogg ones, either from the academic and the attendance point of view. I think it is about time to start enlarging our very narrow perspective…

  • PTMBA

    Would be interesting to see a ranking and discussion of PT MBA programs. I am sure the top will be similar, but I am interested in what people’s overall view on PT MBA programs are. Many of the top programs bill themselves as “the same education” of a full time. I am interested in Pro’s and Con’s vs. a Full Time and an Exec Program.

    • Canuck

      You should ask the schools that you are looking to do an MBA program through. I just completed an executive program, and this is what I found:
      FT MBA build smaller but tighter bonds. People tend to be tight in a group of 5-6 people, but alumni participation is not strong
      EMBA – alumni participation is stronger, but the bonds are not as tight.
      As for class work, the work was the same, but I got my company to pay the difference between the FT program, and the exec program, and I had stellar earning years durring the program. I was also able to provide the company 4-5 research papers on the industry I work in, which have increased my exposure.

  • SV

    UC Irvine made some major strides jumping to #19 in 2013 from a NR in 2012. Would you consider their EMBA program (and even their FT MBA program) a player in the metro LA /SoCal market now? And what happened to Pepperdine?

  • Mark Rudkin

    John,

    I believe you have the wrong inputs for Rice (Jones). Financial Times ranking should be 46 and Wall Street Journal should be 45. P&Q has these rankings incorrectly listed as 62 for FT and NR for WSJ.

    Thanks,
    Mark

  • Timmy

    How is UC BERKELEY BEHIND UCLA AND IRVINE…. Also I see a lot of East coast Bias haha

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.a.byrne.79 John A. Byrne

      There’s a good reason for that and it has nothing to do with the quality of Berkeley’s Executive MBA program. For many years, Columbia Business School and Haas had a joint EMBA program that both schools recently decided to end. For the first time ever this May, Haas will enter its first class of EMBA students in its own Executive MBA program. So truth be told, Berkeley is ranked when it doesn’t even have a program up and running. Once it is established, you can rest assured this will be among the very best in the world.

      • OneFlewOverCuckoo’sNest

        Hi.

        I am at crossroads trying to finalize my decision. I’ve been accepted
        at Haas, Berkeley as well as Cornell-Queen’s into their EMBA programs. I
        am also waitlisted at Wharton-West. Coming from tech-driven bay area
        (and being a technology guy), I am trying to figure out the best program
        out of these. Haas is starting afresh, and also have heard good things
        about CQEMBA (though not sure about its impact in the silicon valley). I
        have talked to several alums from both programs and have gotten good
        perspective. I feel that the Haas/Berkeley brand may have been a bit
        commoditized. May be it is my perception being in the valley and Haas
        being the go-to school for every other aspirant guy out here. Any
        recommendations from brand, quality of education/cohort perspective? I
        also know that there are several ‘Berkeley/Haas shops’ in the area that
        Cornell may not have established (yet). Bottomline, I am stuck on brand
        value and quality of programs with respect to my background.

        Any advise on picking one of these? Thanks in advance.

        PS: If Wharton confirm, that’d put the discussion to rest. :)

        • John Byrne

          I would go to Berkeley, especially if you’re a tech guy and plan on continuing your career in the Bay Area. And I would recommend the Berkeley program without reservation for the quality of the faculty, the incoming students, the totally new program, and the network. This is a no-brainer, really.

        • Birchtree

          Great choices to have – U cannot go wrong with any of these options. Also, I disagree completely with Mr. Byrne’s assertion that Berkeley is the no-brainer choice – I think this is a very unfortunate and insulting remark. This should and likely will be a personal decision for you between two top Universities -Cornell and Berkeley. Additionally, I would forget EMBA rankings – they are complete BS/junk. Go by the Full Time rankings – as that will be your degree. As disclosure, I am a current Cornell-Queen’s EMBA student and have been blown away by the Program (Fellow students, faculty, alumni, the technology, both Universities, career services, and the Courses). The Program has a significant and growing presence in Northern California – as you are likely aware. Very strong technology and non-technology companies represented within the cohort. Good luck to you in making the best decision for you…

          Thx

  • http://twitter.com/sftrained Mark Christie

    Sorry. Just hard to take seriously a ranking in which the Top 10 (13 in fact) all come from the same country, and where 3 of the 4 studies cited came from that country’s publications. This survey probably holds water to some of your American readers, but for anyone outside the US, this is just more American insular self-promotion. C’mon guys…get real.

    • Lisa

      Couldn’t agree more.

    • James Hayton

      hear hear

    • Alex

      I understand where you are coming from. I was
      searching for a top notch international/global EMBA program with strong
      influence in multiple regions and went through this same kind of evaluation
      process in great depth. What became apparent
      was that any program run by non US schools just didn’t measure up. The rest of the global EMBA programs out
      there are not in the same echelon as the American programs today. Indeed most schools outside of the US have
      been developing programs in conjunction with US schools to, in part, improve
      this status. Perhaps in the future non-US
      programs will increase in their standing and reputation vs. US schools. It’s clear, thought your post and those like
      it, that there is will enough for that.
      However, as of today this ranking and those like it, while controversial,
      are fundamentally correct.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TK6PVILC6TJBYI3CGQXOL7TKRA James

    I’m at Henley right now finishing my dissertation and being American still felt the bias in this was a bit pathetic…many of these programs in the US are so big it’s nothing more than chalk and talk.

  • Hari

    Where is harvard business school.. ? Only for fresh grads ?

    • carlos

      oh you did not know about the Harvard PLD program? This is the HBS’s EMBA its just not called EMBA because it doesn’t want to dilute its world renown MBA program. I have heard PLD is really a top notch program and one in which HBS selects ONLY its very best professors.

      • FutureEMBAstudent

        Great program and reputation. However, one must consider the value of having or not having a Degree, let alone an MBA Degree. Harvard’s exec Ed programs grant a certificate and not a degree – albeit with alumni status. As others have mentioned elsewhere on this website – the value of a degree versus a certificate is likely a personal decision. For me personally, I determined that having an MBA Degree was more valuable – I know others may feel differently…
        But I agree it is an option.

      • Keen1

        “PLD is the degree of the future damm it! It’s NOT a certificate!” according to some PLD participants.

        • FutureEMBAstudent

          What do you mean it is not a Certificate…just read the website and call the school as I did????? It is not a hard piece of information to find…
          Come on now – it is excellent but it is a certificate and not a degree – let’s not run from the truth or facts…
          Just call or read the website – I did both and it is easy to confirm. Again great program though – let’s just put accurate info out there…

        • FutureEMBAstudent

          Sorry – I think in my haste – I missed the humor in your post – thx

          • Keen1

            I was serious. I strongly believe that this is the MBA of the future. As mentioned in other posts, I strongly agree that the only program that may compete against it is the Stanford Sloan Fellows program and the Wharton EMBA. I would not bother with other programs…too expensive and if you got the cash…you buy yourself into them- a solid prove: the admission rates which are a joke…

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            Got it – sorry for the mis-interpretation. I think it is a great program – we agree!
            But HBS should “degree” it like Stanford does with its Sloan program to make it truly credible IMO. I mean if Stanford does it, Wharton does it, MIT does it, Columbia does it, Cornell does it, Chicago, Kellogg etc…without brand dilution, than HBS can do it too.
            The can call it a Master in Management instead of an MBA if that is the hang-up…
            But the Certificate aspect bothers some – but clearly not all – as they are doing great with the program…
            Well good luck and best!

          • roger

            What matters is the competitiveness to get in, the value of the program in terms of curriculum, the alumni networks, HBS resources, etc. If admission rate at PLD is 22% and you see some very top tier EMBA programs hovering around 40-50% then you see the difference right? Therefore, if one wants to get a job, the difficulty into getting into a program will be a significant hiring factor since the Business School does a lot of screening itself “on behalf” of recruiters. PLD is a truly credible program.

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            We disagree on this one – respectfully of course. This has been written about a lot in several exchanges by others, so it is not necessary to re-state fully. But in summary of those other arguments – admission rates for EMBA’s are faulty since many top programs offer “pre-screening” which is a great tool for busy executives – but it also reduces application numbers considerably and boosts admit rates. Obviously, you are less likely to apply if you hear that it is a long – shot. Many more qualified applicants apply versus crap-shoots applicants. But also, at 35 to 45 years old – admission statistics are just not that important to older executives – who cares? Go to college confidential and compare admit rates with the undergrads as someone in another post wrote.
            It is the brand of the School that matters not the admit rate. This is why HBS can get away with not giving out a degree but a certificate instead for the PLD – it is the Brand – and a darn good one at that! Wharton (Penn) is a fantastic brand regardless of their roughly 40% admit rate for their EMBA. It does not hurt them even remotely???
            Also, where are the published admit rates for HBS’s Certificate Programs like PLD – I see your mention of a 22% admission rate, but where is this published officially – I have never seen it?
            Thanks and Best!

          • roger

            They give the % rate to us with all other stats. It is a very exclusive program. So many classmates from top universities – also creme a la creme – in terms of leadership performance and professional achievements. I also met some people who were complaining that they were on waiting list for some time. I was also very much thrilled by Clayton Christensen. I have bought all his books. I know HBS places a lot of attention lately into its PLD program. They really aim at making it the “next generation degree” as many say here. I truly believe it. Interesting is the analogy one has brought in one discussion with the HBS MBA when it was first established in 1900s. It is a very accurate analogy. I have also made a very interesting observation: the “PLD” name is proliferating among many Universities, justifying the “next generation degree” Look at ESADE business school, check ST Gallen, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins, etc. I am so glad to have done both Stanford and HBS.

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            Thx for the background info – and congrats on your accomplishments! Best of luck and success to u!

          • Plzstop

            Didn’t you guys already have this conversation when roger used to be called hbsfun? Also, can we please setup a section for all “next generation degree” holders so they can socialize to their heart’s content somewhere else?

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            Nice – LOL! It has been a very repetitive conversation and quite possibly with the same person – but maybe not – who knows. It is a great program but I do not view it as alternative to an MBA degree no matter what form the MBA comes in. HBS is outstanding there is no denying it – but if one is admitted to a top brand eMBA program that gives a full MBA degree – the choice is clear to me anyway. However, if u already had an MBA from earlier in life – than by all means go for HBS…
            Just my strong feeling.

          • roger

            I’m not hbsfun and PLD is the best degree you can get! in fact I think it will replace MBA in the next 5 years! PLD is not a certificate. to me it’s a degree and I’m proud of it! I’m a HBS graduate and I can proudly enter the Harvard club. I also went to Stanford and MIT. Acceptance rate is the only thing that matters in assessing the value of a program. Let me remind you, I’m a HBS graduate. H.A.R.V.A.R.D!

          • roger

            This comment did not come from me (“Roger”). It is a scam in order to diminish the program at HBS: someone used the same name to make this comment. Given this and given my IT background, I am in the process of generating the respective IPs in order to identify where this scam came from. This discussion has been generated for the sole purpose of sharing opinions and experience and not in a manner so as to diminish the value of certain programs.

          • roger

            My comments have a green “R” on the left side, as my identity. Any comment without this green “R” with the same name is a scam.

          • keen1

            just like you pretended to be keen1 before? also you are the one who tried to dimish the value of certain pograms “all EMBAs are light versions of MBAs with unprecedented high admission rates (i.e. little achievement and effort) and whoever has the $$$ can easily buy themselves in the programs”

          • roger

            The only account I have (and solely use) is “roger”. And this account has the typical green “r” sign next to it. So please do not try to divert peoples’ attention so as to cover your manipulative behavior.

            In relation to your above comments:

            1) Have you noticed the discussion under “Has the MBA become a worthless degree” book? Doesn’t this ring you the bell? More so for EMBAs with such high admission rates. Why would a recruiter care about admission rates: because it is a prove that you managed to compete with extremely high caliber people and achieve what others could not. This is a leading indictor for professional success in the recruitment world- i.e. you are smart and hard working enough to make it;
            2) Ok it is obvious that you hate HBS for one reason or another. Well do not forget I am an MS in Engineering holder from Stanford. Perhaps you can accuse Stanford as well? I chose to pursue the PLD because it is a fundamental disruption into the MBA/EMBA market analogous to the disruption the MBA degree had made back in the 1900s when HBS first established it. This is a fact and whatever you say you cannot change it. You also cannot change the fact that the PLD has 22% admission rate, at par with some top tier MBA programs (even better than many of them);
            3) The Alumni resources of HBS are unparalleled and this is another fact you cannot change as well;
            4) I really wish you good luck to whichever route you chose to pursue. I also really hope that one day you manage to get admitted to HBS so that you will see the real difference. Then we can talk again….

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            I am glad you are pumped about this program and whether or not you are or are not playing multiple roles on this Board is your call to ake – but just be respectful of others, even if some choose not to be – be above it.

            You keep claiming 22% admission rates – that is great and congrats, but only people in the program seem to have that data – please realize that this comes accross as VERY self-serving and VERY suspect to others, especially when other programs (not all) are more publc in their data sharing. This is not to say BTW that it is not true, but it is completely unverifiable at this time and so holds ZERO water wth many readers.

            Also, how do you figure the PLD has “disrupted” the EMBA market? Enrollments and demand in EMBA programs is growing – how does this illustrate any disruption??
            Lastly, access to the alumni network at HBS is great and I will not debate that – but it is also at Columbia, Wharton, Booth, Kellogg, Cornell, Stern, Darden etc…
            Do HBS MBAs and PhDs really view Certificate non-degree alumni the same as they are with degrees – a question?
            Thx

          • bara

            Harvard has the best alumni network from all the above universities listed by a big shot. Also, in your above list, I would keep all but exclude Cornell.

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            I agree that HBS likely has the perception of the world’s strongest alumni network – and would not dispute that. I do think other alumni networks from other great schools are also great too though – plenty of opportunities. I disagree with you on Cornell fully though – but who cares, that is what happens on these forums – respect your opinion.

            My bigger point though was whether or not degree holding alumni of HBS (MBAs and PhDs) really view the non degree holding open enrollment Certificate holders as true (or equivalent) alumni. I fully suspect not – at least not uniformly. Which questions how fully such value is really gained by such participants.

          • bara

            I strongly disagree with you with regard to Cornell. Its very clear that Cornel is under a complete free fall lately. Perception: Wharton>Booth=Kellogg=Columbia>=Stern>Darden>>>>>>>Cornell by a big shot. As for HBS, I am not very familiar with their Executive MBA program (PLD) but I bet that given it is HBS it is highly respected in and out of HBS. The question is: What is the caliber of people who join its PLD/EMBA program? If caliber is outstanding then it counts big time.

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            We disagree. No worries. Thx.

          • roger

            Bara, Cornell is a well respected program. So I would disagree with you and place the bar a bit higher than you have indicated. The “Queens” though is something I do not like that much. I would have preferred it to be only Cornell EMBA.

            Now to our core subject-PLD and this refers to futureEMBAstudent’s question on the perception of HBS MBAs on the PLD: By saying this, perhaps you are not aware that HBS arranged more than a dozen of events with HBS MBAs for the main purpose being to find employment opportunities for its HBS MBAs. THis is because PLD graduates are usually very high caliber executives working at top tier firms and/or entrepreneurs. This is a very smart move from HBS itself and its an independent verification of the value, respect and caliber of PLD graduates particularly in the eyes of HBS MBAs. Also, it is not by chance that HBS is calling PLD “The alternative to EMBA”. Didn’t this ring a bell to you? As for the admission rate, the PLD is a very exclusive program with a huge waiting list begging to get in.

            If one were to ask me which program I thought it would be more marketable, Cornell EMBA vs HBS PLD I would not even take a second to think the answer…this doesn’t mean that Cornell is not great. It is but HBS is way better. As I said, I would only place Stanford SF as a direct competitor.

          • FutureEMBAstudent

            Good info on the events – that is good to hear, and I think a positive for the program, which as you know I believe is a great one, as I have indicated.
            I agree that it would only take me a second to say which program I thought was more marketable between a Cornell eMBA or a HBS PLD Certificate – A Cornell MBA degree is way better, in my opinion – as you have expressed yours – so be it. This does not mean BTW that the PLD Certificate is not great – it is.
            Glad there are lots of options for people because different needs and goals create all this demand.
            Great choices – good luck and best!

          • L

            roger, I’ve been following your posts for the past few days and I sincerely ask that you stop cheerleading for PLD the way you do on public forums such as this because you are actually hurting PLD’s image.. I won’t say much more but know that I’m on you side when it comes to knowing the value of PLD and having strong desire to promote what a great program PLD is… please, stop what you are doing and let PLD’s true value be known in due course.

          • roger

            Stanford MS in Engineering here and PLD graduate. I think the program is stellar and far exceeded my expectations. The only programs which could be considered as competitors are (by order of strength): Stanford SF; Wharton EMBA; MIT SF. I think thereafter, all EMBAs are light versions of MBAs with unprecedented high admission rates (i.e. little achievement and effort) and whoever has the $$$ can easily buy themselves in the programs. Thats my bottom line.

  • http://twitter.com/rwsayrejr Rob Sayre

    As a graduate of the Kellogg EMBA program a few years back it is interesting to see it drop from #1 to #3. Wharton hired away some of the EMBA staff from Kellogg at the same time Kellogg has since had 2 business school deans. All of these schools have international campuses and partnerships with other universities where the “home base” faculty fly and teach various courses throughout the year as the article points out with Washington University.

  • Osa

    You guys should get out more of the US. This ranking list if funny…at least you made me laugh. You might as well just call it the Best EMBA in the US and leave it at that

  • gregh

    John – maybe I don’t get all the calculations/weightings, but why is the Smith School at #28 with no ranking for FT? Last year the FT ranking was included in your composite, and our program is ranked by FT again this year. Just curious

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.a.byrne.79 John A. Byrne

      Thanks for noticing. The FT rank is actually 51 so we’ve corrected that in the table as well as the school’s rank.

  • Andrew

    Just a huge vote of thanks and appreciation for Mark’s remarks regarding the outcome and method for deriving the EMBA rankings list.

    Frankly,I’m somewhat shocked but not surprised. Any truly ‘world’-class MBA program list would most certainly contain no less than 50% non-North American schools due to significantly greater cultural and geographical benefits from Europe, Middle East Africa and beyond – not to mention that many of these non-North America-based candidates possess far superior pre-existing global experience to their inherent requirements and abilities to do international business in a far more intimate and F2F mode than their American counterparts.

    Finally – to be blunt – the world of business is FAR more exciting outside the US than inside…so why wouldn’t one want to attend a EMEA-based EMBA program instead?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001984920680 Maria Smith

    Good post about MBA it is very useful for students

    Recession and MBA

  • Ranjjite

    can someone comment about the IE Business School Global Executive MBA program? I am more interested in the non US schools and how they compare with the US ones in a global market perception not just within US.

  • OneFlewOverCuckoo’sNest

    Hi.

    I am at crossroads trying to finalize my decision. I’ve been accepted at Haas, Berkeley as well as Cornell-Queen’s into their EMBA programs. I am also waitlisted at Wharton-West. Coming from tech-driven bay area (and being a technology guy), I am trying to figure out the best program out of these. Haas is starting afresh, and also have heard good things about CQEMBA (though not sure about its impact in the silicon valley). Any advise on picking one of these? Thanks in advance.

    PS: If Wharton confirm, that’d put the discussion to rest. :)

  • Jane Doe

    Berkeley Vs Wharton EMBA?

    Hi – I am admitted into Berkeley’s new EMBA and have paid the deposit. I was waitlisted by Wharton-West and just got the confirmation that they’re accepting me. Any advise on whether chucking Berkeley would make sense (at $30K more)?

    • OneFlewOverCuckoo’sNest

      I was waitlisted by Wharton-W and got declined. Am admitted to Berkeley and am officially in (had a choice between Berkeley and Cornell-Queens).

      Both are strong programs. You will have a little more classroom and work at Wharton given they have a 24-month program Vs Berkeley’s 19-month spread. But Berkeley also offers more electives (as you know since you have access to all the info that I do :-D).

      It really depends on your situation. Wharton has more finance and non-tech cohort than Berkeley as I hear. Also, the extra 30K is a personal choice IMHO.

      If I were in your shoes, I’d pick Wharton as the brand is worth the extra-$30K.

    • Paul Bodine

      Though both programs are strong in the Bay Area, Wharton has the stronger global brand and arguably offers an EMBA that is closer in content to a full-time MBA than does Haas and a larger network. For these reasons I would lean toward Wharton unless the loss of deposit/$30K more is a major obstacle for you financially.

      –Paul Bodine, Great Applications for Business School, http://www.paulsbodine.com

  • Questioning SWE

    Can some one please explain to me why FT.com is always reporting that Kellog-HKUST EMBAS earn US$460,000+ and therefore placing them first in the Ranking, whereas Kellog-HKUST own info-materials always say they earn US$260,000+, which is inline with other EMBA programs…thanks.

    see: http://www.bm.ust.hk/emba/content.asp?section=class&task=class_profile

  • EMBAGrad2012

    I think its important to note that 1) the MBA degree is not an academic degree, its a professional degree. 2) EMBA programs have different goals for a different type of person than you would expect to find in a traditional MBA program.

    I think people mistakenly confuse “rigor” of curriculum or “selectivity” of admissions with quality. That’s not how an MBA program of any kind should be judged. The MBA is very much a professional degree program and thus should not be excessively “difficult”. It should actually be easy – teaching students how to make business easier to understand and navigate. Therefore, an MBA program should be judged on employment stats, career progression, and return on investment. I would argue that the purpose of an MBA degree is to better the degree-holder’s probability of creating value to his/her employer. Value creation should be quantified, standardized, and measured for the purpose of rating Business Schools too. It really doesn’t matter how challenging a program is if I’m unemployed 2 years after graduation, nor does it matter how selective my business school’s admissions are if end up defaulting on my student loan 5 years after graduation.

    On the other hand, EMBA programs are meant to enhance your knowledge of business in a different way than a traditional program. EMBA programs are designed to get senior managers to leverage their experiences with one another. In theory, an EMBA student should have several years of business experience under his/her belt and have essentially learned many of the lessons taught in a traditional MBA course in the real world as opposed to the classroom. Traditional MBAs are geared more towards people who are aspiring to be in those managerial positions or may not have even entered the workforce yet. It would make sense that there is more academics in an MBA program than in an EMBA program given the general lack of experience an MBA student might have. That does not mean that one is less rigorous or that one graduate is more qualified or smarter than the other. They are designed to serve the needs of two entirely different students.

  • Ying Wang

    Hi there,

    Please can some one answer my questions?

    If I take EMBA from a top tier US business school, will I get a job in the USA? I am Canadian Citizen originally from China. I have 7 years work experience as Accounting Supervisor. I am working in Canada right now. I came to Canada from China for better life 7 years ago. I completed an accounting designation from China as well as from Canada. Looking for better challenges.
    I am obsessed with the EMBA for some time now.
    I did not have opportunity and money to do it in China. I am 43 years.

    Do you think it makes sense to shell out $150,000 at this age with no guarantee of clear return on investment and a good job in US? Will US companies recruit from campus after the completion of EMBA? Can I get green card and settle down in US?

    Thanks
    Ying

  • Marshall S

    I am mid career professional, specifically a senior military Reserve officer, with a desire to transition out of the defense sector into either an emerging technology (robotics, nano, AI, or biotech) or alternative energy sector. I intend to use an Executive MBA program to strengthen my business knowledge and as a form of validation of my extensive military leadership, management, and planning experiences. I have been fortunate to be accepted to three schools in the top 11.

    I am interested in opinions on the cost – benefit of paying about 70K out of pocket to attend a school in the top 3 versus pay something between 5K and 40K out of pocket to attend the #11 school. (Rankings based on Business Week and Poets and Quants.)

    I have probably another 20 years or work life in front of me and would like to expand my job choices as widely as possible.

  • Dilemma

    I’ve been accepted into Kellogg and MIT’s emba programs, and I have to decide between the two in the next week. What are your thoughts about these two options? I am intrigued by MIT’s program and philosophy but drawn by the Kellogg name, network and quality. When will MIT’s program be old enough to be part of the rankings? Thanks!

    • MBA-PATH

      Dilemma,
      This is a great problem to have and honestly you cannot make a wrong decision.
      1) Go to the school that excites you most – cause you will do better.
      2) Beyond that – consider logistically which works easier for you.
      3) Do not focus on EMBA rankings – they are complete crap IMHO. You receive an MBA degree, the only MBA degree both the schools in question grant. Go by the full time rankings as they are the most pure and that is your degree. The EMBA rankings are all over the place becuase some include global programs and some do not and some include partnership programs and others do not. Some (USN) even rank schools that do not have an EMBA program at all (USN ranks Stanford????).
      4) MIT will likely start showing up in the rankings this year or next because of its more recent entry onto the scene…but again go by fulltime rankings…
      5) Do not worry about whether the school is ranked #2 or #15, as it likely will not make any difference in your career. Just pick the school that is the best fit and has a strong underlying brand…
      You have two excellent choices.
      Good luck

  • Pep

    Thoughts on the Pepperdine University PKE (President and Key Executive) MBA program?

  • rancor

    From SoCal and debating between UCLA, USC, and UMichigan. General Management focus Is my interest
    Any thoughts and best option?

    • tornado1

      I don’t know much about the Michigan program but if you desire to work in the in LA area, USC and UCLA alumni networks are very deep and powerful.

    • Rizzididy

      I would advise on USC – I hear the network is very strong. However, all are great choices.

    • Vico

      I would reach out to UMich about their EMBA program in LA. They conduct classes at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel every 3 weeks. I think they have a blog from their EMBA website too you can check out

  • YobiOne

    Any thoughts between Cornell EMBA and UNC’s OneMBA? My current role is individual tech contributor (10+ corp world exp.) My main EMBA goals are leadership skills and general management, but eventually would like to work globally.

    • borongo

      Both are great brands, with Cornell getting the edge in the rankings and in terms of global recognition in my mind. I would judge by cost and logistics as to which works better for your own circumstances.

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